“They’re including a nice smallish RSS reader in their Mail app. I had seen it before, and it’s a River of News aggregator.”
Pointing us to TechCrunch:
“Yahoo has deeply integrated RSS into the Yahoo Mail beta experience. Directly below the email folders are â€śRSS foldersâ€?. Clicking on the top folder show all posts in a ‘river of news’ format, meaning all posts for all subscribed feeds are listed in the order they have appeared in feeds.”
This could act nicely as a backup to Rojo when I’m having problems over there, especially if they’re smart and at least account for OPML synchronization (and I mean synch, not import and export – now’s the time to build it in, fellows). Too bad it’s a closed beta…
I’m totally uninterested in Yahoo! mail – I don’t wnat or need another mail account or even another mail reader. But another good web-based RSS reader. That’d be cool. And if it could synch with an OPML that I maintained somewhere’s else, or allowed me to publish the OPML that I maintain there without jumpign through hoops, that’d be the Golden Fleece (or is that the Holy Grail?).
I’ve found (and/or created) a couple of hacks that make using the OPML Editor as a WordPress (and other blog platform) blogging tool a little nicer.
The first applies if you want to use OPML Editor to blog to multiple Metaweblog-based blogs. Right now to do so you have to set each one up in your preferences, and decide before creating a new post which blog you’re going to use (or at least that’s what it seems like).
If you’re up for a little OPML Editor hacking, you can make this a lot less of a hassle.
What you need to do is to create a right-click menu item by using the “Tools | Edit right-click menu” menu item. In the resulting outline enter a new node and name it whatever you want to call your new entry. Then double-click this node to open the script for this action.
In the script window, type the following:
This script causes OPML Editor to pop a dialog box when you right-click on a node and select your new menu item (mine’s called “Set Att”). It will ask you for the attribute you want to modify. If the attribute has a value it’ll put ha value in another dialog, if not you get a blank dialog. Type the new value you want and OPML Editor will either update the existing attribute or add a new one.
For the purposes of WordPress blogging using the OPML Editor, you can right-click the top-level node (the one with the title) of your newly added post and type “blogname” for the atribue you want to modify. Then type the blogname value for the blog you want to post to (from the list you’ve created in your prefs) and when you save the workspace you’ll post to whatever blog you’ve selected.
If any of this doesn’t make sense, please leave a comment and I’ll try to clarify it – I didn’t want to get too basic here, but in doing so might have left ou too much detail.
Next Up: hacking a little deeper into OPML Editor’s code to control post status (draft, published).
Omea totally hosed importing my OPML file. The opml file is here, and it validates at Realy Simple Validation and at Dave’s OPML Validator, but Omea reader imports it by nesting each succeeding outline top-level nested within its predecessor, so the contents of my “daily” category (or channel, or, since this is a Rojo export, tag) are nestled cozily within almost 50 parent categories. Since I’m not willing to go to the lengths Robert Scoble did to massage my OPML file, this is unacceptable behavior. Not only that, but it also doesn’t make any sense. Even if the OPML spec is too vague to use to determine how to handle the feeds in this file (I’m not saying it is too vague, mind you, only that what I say is true even if it is), the basic structure of XML would indicate that these elements are not nested within one another.
Too bad, really, Omea had a fairly nice user interface and also retrieved comments on posts where it could, making the browsing experience that much more streamlined. The only things I didn’t like about the way it handled displaying my feeds were that I couldn’t look at a particular day’s posts by category (Omea allows for browsing by date of publication or by category) and that when I was viewing the contents of a category I only saw a full listing of the titles and I had to click on a title to see the contents – I’d much rather simply view the entire list of contents organized by date.
See elliptical for details. Please comment here or there with problems, concerns, or comments.
He‘s getting the same message that I am, but doesn’t have xmlrpc logging turned on, so we can’t verify that he’s having the same precise problem that I am, so I still don’t know for sure that the problem I think I see in my log is caused by the interaction between OPML Editor and WP or whether it’s something on my server. Anyone who’s got xmlrpc logging tuned on (or can turn it on) willing to give it a whirl?
Next step is for me to make OPML Editor skip over some of the whitespace handling that it does to see if something in there is causing the munging.
Nutshell‘s a .Net based aggregator. It has a ticker bar that appears at the top of the screen which is kind of nice, but doesn’t allow me to scroll down the full list of all posts within a certain channel (at least as far as I can see). No river of news, no use to me.
- offers a blogpaper that looks as though it might do the trick.
- imports OPML OK, though it imports duplicates of feeds that are in more than one tag in Rojo – I suspect most aggregators will do this, though.
- chokes while getting perhaps the 70th feed (of 450+) – and doesn’t recover well,
- backing off this one for now – I’ll come back if nothing else seems to suit.
My dear Rojo seems to be having problems lately, at least for me, and I’m tired of missing hours of bloggy goodness without decent recourse, so I’m looking for a desktop backup plan.
The sole and only absolute criterion for me is that I be able to read my feeds in the safe and effective “River of News” style – way back when (almost a year ago now – when my blog was still on Blogspot) that was what I was looking for when I discovered MyFeedster. Rojo took its place when I started to get better results from it, and I’m addicted to the ease of use that the river allows.
Other than that I’ll judge each on its merits, and I’ll be posting about each one I try here.
See my conversation with Dave starting here.
When I step through the code I get what appears to be a valid xmlrpc method call over http, but my xmlrpc log file looks munged.Â If there’s anyone around who uses a WordPress 1.5+ blog and the OPML Editor and woud be willing to try a post, I’m interested to see if you have the same problems or if the issue is on my server.
I tried Dave’s wordPress.root tool or the OPML Editor to create a new post at elliptical this evening, and it seems as though the inplementation of the MetaWeblog API in OPML Editor is different than that in Flock, because Flock’s blogging tool works just fine while the OPML Editor’s tool won’t authenticate me to xmlrpc.php.
Here’s what the log file records from Flock (actual post data removed for clarity):
2005-11-10 19:38:50 Input: <?xml version=”1.0″?>
and here’s what’s recorded from OPML Editor:
2005-11-24 00:28:55 Input: <?xml version=”1.0″?>^M
<value><struct>^M <member>^M <name>description</name>^M <value>^Mwhat’s the log say?</value>^M </member>^M <member>^M <name>title</name>^M <value>test for kinrowan.net</value>^M </member>^M </struct></value>^M
Among the oddities are the presence of the “^M” strings at the end of each line.
Also strange is that OPML Editor is able to communicate just fine with WordPress.com blogs, and so is Flock.
Here’s the error message I get:
Nevertheless the wordPress.root tool is really cool – being able to use the OPML Editor to post here is boon enough!
having figured out the vagaries and quirks of the UI (don’t all UIs have them?) I think I’m able to post without issue.
We’ll see how this one goes.
Looks like Google Analytics is down (for now). I can successfully log into my Google account, but am redirected to http://www.google.com when I’ve done so.From what little I’ve seen, this is quite an impressive tool, even if you don’t serve AdSense on your site. Much of what I get from my hosting service’s stats package can be ofund here, as well as some deeper information (like bounce rates – quite high for my blog; I’ve got it turned on at http://kinrowan.net for now) can be found.
RSS is not just for nerds. Not anymore.
technorati tags: Seth Godin
Dave, I have a question: The spec says nothing about OPML being case-unfriendly, and the OPML Editor doesn’t treat attributes as case-sensitive 1, but the validator fails a file when the attributes “xmlurl” and “htmlurl” are used, but not the same file when “xmlUrl” and “htmlUrl” are used. Is this an oversight?
1 I say this because I have a right-click menu item that looks like this:
if dialog.ask (“What attribute do you want to modify?”, @myatt)
op.attributes.getOne (myatt, @myval)
if dialog.ask (“Enter the ” + myatt + ” for this headline:”, @myval)
op.attributes.setOne (myatt, myval)
When I use it to check “xmlurl” and “xmlUrl” they both return the same value, which indicates to me that it’s treating both strings as equivalent.
After reading Steve Gillmor’s Don’t Mention It, I had to google “AttentionTech” and see what it was. I was unsurprised to find something at the other end of that reference, but was deeply surprised to find what I did find; a fairly sloppy web page claiming to be
“a Web service that is intended to serve as an online complement to the AttentionTech podcast”
and indicating that
“As a service to readers, the site is designed to quickly highlight the most compelling authoritative blogs and podcasts on the Web in an age where people are being inundated by posts and feeds from across the technology spectrum.”
Not only that, but as a “Web service”, shouldn’t it at least have a feed?
I’m sure Steve and Mike Vizard are just starting to work all of this out, and with a little more time it’ll be a lot more polished, but still…
Â UPDATE: My analysis that the Flock extension was recording the Flock clickstream seems to be incorrect.Â In fact it seem not to be recording the clickstream at all – I had conflated results from the two browsers.
The newest version of the AttentionTrust Extension (actually, it might be the first version as well) is ready to use in Flock out of the box. I’ve installed the extension from the AttentionTrust website in both Firefox and Flock without difficulty, and synched up with the new Root Vault service from both browsers; both click-streams seem to be recording fine.